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November 29th, 2013
#1
was browsing and saw a post in private section about ssj3 and the guy get flat out burned.

one of the replies was

there humans you need to be 100% saiyan to go ssj3" looking that i was thinking that that is in its self a load of bull. as far as humans wishing for ssj concered thats fine butits possible players are of few that have a percentage of supresed saiyan genes in there make up, now taken that ssj breaks the wall for all saiyans to reach further then they have before simply wishing for ssj in game should have same effect on that percentage genes in the human that is saiyan now not saying it has same effect. but
it could have lead to a more permant full power super saiyan transformation sort of like goku gohan did in time chamber, but who knows further more , you can not simply say what the devs were thinking of adding for future power ups in the game because game ended already and you cant say its impossible with out knowing the true facts and you cant count on lore when in a interview for battle of the gods
akira toriyama when drawing the script stated he thought ssj3 goku was actualy ssj2 it gose to show how even the creator got confused having not done a project with him self involvment for a while.

so to all them that bash peoples ideas about ssj2 ssj3 use logic reasons not your own half assed ones
November 29th, 2013
#2
Okay, first of all, this needs to be said. Your grammar is a complete disaster. My eyes literally hurt from reading this. However I will break this down as best I can for you.

there humans you need to be 100% saiyan to go ssj3" looking that i was thinking that that is in its self a load of bull.

You're absolutely right. It is a load of bull. I don't know how many times I have to say it, Gotenks became SSJ3. Every time I do though, people say Gotenks is fused from 2 half Saiyans. But Goten and Trunks are also both half human, therefore Gotenks is half human as well.

as far as humans wishing for ssj concered thats fine butits possible players are of few that have a percentage of supresed saiyan genes in there make up,

Okay what? I don't even understand this.

now taken that ssj breaks the wall for all saiyans to reach further then they have before simply wishing for ssj in game should have same effect on that percentage genes in the human that is saiyan now not saying it has same effect. but

I'm starting to having problems understanding what you're trying to say, but what I think you're saying is that we could just wish for full blooded Saiyan. Well yeah.... no we can't. The dragon is not some all-powerful genie who can make any wish come true, the dragon was created by a Namekian's powers. Not only is it stated in the manga, sub AND even the dub that the dragon cannot grant wishes that exceed the powers of its creator, it also makes perfect logical sense.

In order to make someone a full-blooded Saiyan, the dragon would have to completely rebuild the one making the wish, cell by cell, rewriting his or her genetic structure. I could just tell you that something on that scale is beyond the dragon's power to do, but I don't think you'd be satisfied with that. Luckily we have an example from the series itself.

After Cell was defeated, Krillin wished that Android 17 and 18 be made into humans, and the dragon stated that it was beyond his power to do so.

Fast forward 7 years, Krillin and 18 are married, and 18 had given birth. This not only means that 18 has the organs needed to give birth, but also all the organs needed to have sex. That's a great deal of organic material, all of it containing genetic info on how her original body is put together. To remove the "add-ons" from her and rebuild her missing flesh would still be quite an undertaking, but it's far simpler than rewriting the DNA and starting again from scratch. If the dragon couldn't restore 17 and 18 to their original normal human selves, then how could he possibly go about making a human with mere drops of saiyan blood into the real deal?

Now, one may argue that when Frieza killed Krillin, Krillin's body was entirely destroyed. However, it's already been shown in the series that when a hero of such a caliber is killed, his or her body is preserved. Remember, Chiaotzu's body was entirely destroyed as well, but he was seen happily training on King Kai's Planet. It stands to reason that Krillin, who's power and heroic deed's exceeded Chiaotzu's at the time, had his body preserved as well.

it could have lead to a more permant full power super saiyan transformation sort of like goku gohan did in time chamber, but who knows

Full Powered SSJ is a mastery of the first transformation to a point where keeping it going is as easy as breathing. Completely effortless. That form, as well as Ascended SSJ(not to be confused with SSJ2) and Ultra SSJ, are forms achieved through nothing but training. It's quite possible those 3 might have eventually been added if the game had not been shut down, and we kind of already had Full Powered Super Saiyan, you could maintain the form quite easily by increasing your ENG stat.

further more , you can not simply say what the devs were thinking of adding for future power ups in the game because game ended already and you cant say its impossible with out knowing the true facts

The devs aren't stupid. They know(or rather knew, since they no longer develop this game) that if they were to add something like SSJ2 or 3, they'd have to explain, directly or indirectly, how it's possible for us to have it within the story, since RPGs are, of course, story driven. They also knew if they added those forms, they would have to come up with something for Nameks and Majins as well for the sake of balance in gameplay. The latter is of course, far more important and it's EXTREMELY unlikely do it without meeting that criteria, the prior is important as well and it's unlikely they would put it in without it somehow fitting in with the story. We may not know these as 100% facts, but they are logical conclusions that have held up to scrutiny for a long time.

and you cant count on lore when in a interview for battle of the gods
akira toriyama when drawing the script stated he thought ssj3 goku was actualy ssj2 it gose to show how even the creator got confused having not done a project with him self involvment for a while.

Okay, really? This argument could hold up if larger mistakes than that were found in the final released "version" of the lore, but this is why writers read and re-read their own work before submitting. Hell, it's why I've read and re-read this post before hitting Submit Reply. Toriyama is human and WILL make mistakes. He is not infallible and you bringing this up shows that you have HORRIBLY unrealistic expectations.

On top of that, the mistake you gave as an example was from the writing of the script for a movie that was released earlier this year. DBO was released in 2010 if I remember correctly, and had been in development for years before that. The validity of the lore is not even remotely affected by a small mistake long after the fact, and if you think it somehow calls Toriyama's credibility into question, then the entire canon of the series is destroyed in your own point of view.

so to all them that bash peoples ideas about ssj2 ssj3 use logic reasons not your own half assed ones

The only one here using half-ass'd logic is you I'm afraid. I urge you to re-evaluate your thought process on this subject.

Last edited on November 29th, 2013 at 06:39 AM.
November 29th, 2013
#3
Well, SSJ2 and SSJ3 isn't a bad idea , but what about other classes? Super buu (came from good and bad buus fused ) and Picillo's strength came from fusion not natural transform ( which is a wierd thing to have in game by wishing for it ).
November 29th, 2013
#4
You're absolutely right. It is a load of bull. I don't know how many times I have to say it, Gotenks became SSJ3. Every time I do though, people say Gotenks is fused from 2 half Saiyans. But Goten and Trunks are also both half human, therefore Gotenks is half human as well.

There are and is very logical statements for why Gotenks was able to become SSJ3

for some reason Toriyama made it that Saiyan-Human hybrids (1/2 each, under 1/10 saiyan blood to human blood) had more hidden potential then that of full blooded, as you should know, both Goten and Trunks and Gohan are extremely gifted as they Hit Super Saiyan alot easier then that of their fathers.

he is the result of two prodigious Saiyajin children.

You can research it yourself.
November 29th, 2013
#5
There are and is very logical statements for why Gotenks was able to become SSJ3

for some reason Toriyama made it that Saiyan-Human hybrids (1/2 each, under 1/10 saiyan blood to human blood) had more hidden potential then that of full blooded, as you should know, both Goten and Trunks and Gohan are extremely gifted as they Hit Super Saiyan alot easier then that of their fathers.

he is the result of two prodigious Saiyajin children.

You can research it yourself.

Traits like that can easily go dormant as the Saiyan blood gets more and more diluted, just as tails and zenkai did. The player characters in DBO have not showed any such potential. On top of that our so-called Super Saiyan form, even after factoring in the fact that it's a game, doesn't resemble the real deal. These player characters have no only shown little potential, but little ability.
November 29th, 2013
#6
Traits like that can easily go dormant as the Saiyan blood gets more and more diluted, just as tails and zenkai did. The player characters in DBO have not showed any such potential. On top of that our so-called Super Saiyan form, even after factoring in the fact that it's a game, doesn't resemble the real deal. These player characters have no only shown little potential, but little ability.

Yes that's pretty much why anyone with extremely diluted blood will not be able to go super saiyan (the actual form) it is said that the form in DBO is an artificial form granted by Dende/Shenron

Though i wouldn't use the word "dormant" because that would imply that you would still have the ability.

Zenkai is exclusive to saiyan blood, so that will never disappear i don't think.
November 29th, 2013
#7
Okay, how to make a useless topic.
Anyway, the game is already unbalanced.. if SSJ2/3/4/5/9001 (It's over 9000.) Will be added it will be the Worst MMORPG Ever.
Grammar Nazi Over 9000.. I don't get what this topic means.
November 29th, 2013
#8
I feel anything higher than SSJ1 should be used for PVE reasons only.
November 29th, 2013
#9
Okay, how to make a useless topic.
Anyway, the game is already unbalanced.. if SSJ2/3/4/5/9001 (It's over 9000.) Will be added it will be the Worst MMORPG Ever.
Grammar Nazi Over 9000.. I don't get what this topic means.
November 29th, 2013
#10
Ik the ssj3 thing was me and I got it from the Raging Blast 2 Encyclopedia. It was also a rumor.
SSJ2+ is a stupid idea. <-- Fact
Jak explained it all.