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July 3rd, 2013
#1
So I've spent a few weeks fiddling around with this class and I just took a good long look at Mythrandir's big guide for the class. His work is very, very good, but I feel the need to as a little about specific things and get feedback from more than one person.

At the moment, and for the foreseeable future. I (apparently) have two skill resets due to having had my account for so long, so I'm thinking about adjusting my build to some degree, at least once I reach a higher level. I want some advice on the following attacks.

Physical Attacks: Right now, my character has about 1.5 times as much energy attack as physical attack, so I have to wonder if physical attacks in general are really worth it. This is probably my logic from Pokemon bleeding through, but I think it might be better to ignore physical damage completely. However, since I felt like I needed it at lower levels, (particularly when actually getting my master class) I still have the physical damage skill tree from the basic warrior class with one point in each. I tend to find Mystic Attack and Charging Fist useful in particular. However, I need to ask about Slash and Cleave in particular. Cleaves seems to be better, as it has a knockdown and is an AoE on top of dealing more damage, but Mythrandir's build recommends Slash over it. Is this an oversight? Which is really better?

Kaioken: At the moment, my build doesn't include the Kaioken. In your experience, how useful is it for this class? Is it worth putting one point into or the full 3/3?

Giant Form and Related Attacks: I find this transformation to be rather useful in two situations: the first being when I'm attacking mobs with groups, where I can distract the enemies and deal AoE damage more easily, and the second for when I'm farming for items. I kind of want to keep the transformation and the related skills, but at the moment, they don't deal much damage. I know my gear isn't exactly perfect, but I'm still wondering: is it a good idea to put more than one point into them?

Draconic Curse: At the moment, I have this at 4/4, so the attack takes up a crapton more EP, but it's also something of an AoE, which is very useful when fighting multiple opponents. However, the extra point doesn't do much to increase the skill's effectiveness on single targets and it's difficult to get targets in a "line" for the skill to work. Do you think it's worth it to keep that extra point in the attack?

Draconic Overpowering: I only have one point in this right now. I was thinking that since I have an AoE stun that also deals damage in the form of Violent Slice, I wouldn't really need it and I don't really use it that often. How about the rest of you?

Dragon's Will: I don't really use this move too often, considering my skills seem to generate a lot of aggro as it is. Should I keep it at one point, or add another?

Dragon's Oath: How useful is this is PvE, at high levels in particular? I don't seem to face too many opponents with any of the effects it prevents.

Fear and Curse: Do these even really work in PvE? What uses do they potentially have?

Great Defense: I understand that this isn't that great a buff for the class because it doesn't increase your stats by that much. Does anyone use it?

Master Class HTB and Dragon Buffs: What order should I get these in?

Feedback is much obliged and will be rewarded with thanks whenever possible.

Edit: This is the bare bones of what I think I need in a build.

Last edited on July 3rd, 2013 at 04:20 PM.
July 3rd, 2013
#2
Kaioken at level 1 is good.
Dragon oath is more of a Party PvP skill it useful if the other Team has a Plasma that spamming confuse.
Draconic Overpowering(some bosses are immune to it like some are immune to violent slice) is useful when your fighting bosses
July 3rd, 2013
#3
Kaioken at level 1 is good.
Dragon oath is more of a Party PvP skill it useful if the other Team has a Plasma that spamming confuse.
Draconic Overpowering(some bosses are immune to it like some are immune to violent slice) is useful when your fighting bosses

I need a little more information than this. Could I ask you to give me advice on some specifics?

1. Have you ever used Kaioken at higher than 1/3? In particular, I was wondering if the mechanics for the Kaioken have changed any. Does anyone know what the exact stat increases and LP/EP drain are for each level? Does it vary by class?

2. So it's not really that useful for PvE? Is it worth getting for PvE?

3. What I want to know is whether I should have Draconic Overpowering 3/4 or 4/4.

Either way, thank you for your help.
July 3rd, 2013
#4
Kaioken at level 1 is good.
Dragon oath is more of a Party PvP skill it useful if the other Team has a Plasma that spamming confuse.
Draconic Overpowering(some bosses are immune to it like some are immune to violent slice) is useful when your fighting bosses

I need a little more information than this. Could I ask you to give me advice on some specifics?

1. Have you ever used Kaioken at higher than 1/3? In particular, I was wondering if the mechanics for the Kaioken have changed any. Does anyone know what the exact stat increases and LP/EP drain are for each level? Does it vary by class?

2. So it's not really that useful for PvE? Is it worth getting for PvE?

3. What I want to know is whether I should have Draconic Overpowering 3/4 or 4/4.

Either way, thank you for your help.
July 3rd, 2013
#5
http://dbocom.com/tools/skill-calcul...0010433003400/

Kaioken: Kaioken is great at lvl 3 because there is hardly no drainage at that point.

Physical Attacks: The physical attacks are worthless and you shouldnt consider it.

Giant Form and Related Attacks: The GN skills are only good for when your in trouble LP wise and you go GN for the extra LP and def. Youll use the GN skills to finish them off but, there not really good unless your sporting +12 gloves or higher.

Draconic Curse: Yes have the defense debuff 4/4 because when you aggro alot of mobs youll want them weaker so they will go down faster.

Draconic Overpowering: The single stun isnt worth it pve wise because our a tank and as a tank youll wanna aggro alot of mobs and finish them off quickly

Dragon's Will: You shouldnt worry about the aggro skill like that since you have a aoe aggro skill that will just gather everything around where you are

Dragon's Oath: It's mostly pvp good, it could help with some CC bosses that do confuses and stuns but the healer takes that off.


Fear and Curse: Fear is not worth it at all because most bosses in pve cannot be feared and curse is a waste because the damage is low and mobs dont use skills.

Great Defense: Soul is like strength..it's shit it gives 34 soul which is maybe 68-88 extra energy attacks which isnt worth 4 skills points.

Master Class HTB and Dragon Buffs:

1 - HTB
2 - Con
3 - Focus
4 - Soul
5 - Dex
6 - Strength
7 - Energy


ps if you ever think about pvp here you go - http://dbocom.com/tools/skill-calcul...0011131443401/
July 3rd, 2013
#6
What I heard sounds just about right
Kaioken Level 1:20% atk increase
Kaioken Level 2:25% atk increase
Kaioken Level 3:30% atk increase
July 3rd, 2013
#7
*snip*

Thank you!

Just a bit more advice would be nice. I think I've got my build just about settled right now. I just need to ask two or three questions.

1. Is the Increase Defense passive really that useful? I mean, is it worth 3 SP? I noticed you have it in your build.

2. I get some degree of use out of Charging Fist, but I don't think it's really necessary since I'm almost always attacking from a distance and hardly ever auto-attack. What do you think?

3. I've been using Hellzone Grenade, and while I know the skill animation is a bit long and tedious, it's also proven really helpful for solo PvE thus far. It seems to be the most useful single-target attack outside of Bold Slice, but I don't think it's worth upgrading it beyond 1/5. Could I get an opinion on it?

Once again, much obliged.

What I heard sounds just about right
Kaioken Level 1:20% atk increase
Kaioken Level 2:25% atk increase
Kaioken Level 3:30% atk increase

Is it strictly attack that Kaioken increases? Do you know how much LP/EP are drained with each level?
July 3rd, 2013
#8
As you level it up just atk gained increases and The drainage% is lowered definitely but don't know of how much
July 3rd, 2013
#9
Thank you!

Just a bit more advice would be nice. I think I've got my build just about settled right now. I just need to ask two or three questions.

1. Is the Increase Defense passive really that useful? I mean, is it worth 3 SP? I noticed you have it in your build.

2. I get some degree of use out of Charging Fist, but I don't think it's really necessary since I'm almost always attacking from a distance and hardly ever auto-attack. What do you think?

3. I've been using Hellzone Grenade, and while I know the skill animation is a bit long and tedious, it's also proven really helpful for solo PvE thus far. It seems to be the most useful single-target attack outside of Bold Slice, but I don't think it's worth upgrading it beyond 1/5. Could I get an opinion on it?

Once again, much obliged.



Is it strictly attack that Kaioken increases? Do you know how much LP/EP are drained with each level?

charging fist is just a KD...and its not AOE so its quite useless in PVE..

Hellzone grenade you can probably take out since its a success based move is mainly used against resisting oppoenents .

Well increasing defense is good for things like Kraken,cell and some CC bosses..The better M def the better..especially if mobs surround you
July 3rd, 2013
#10
charging fist is just a KD...and its not AOE so its quite useless in PVE..

Hellzone grenade you can probably take out since its a success based move is mainly used against resisting oppoenents .

Well increasing defense is good for things like Kraken,cell and some CC bosses..The better M def the better..especially if mobs surround you

Alright, I think I've got an idea of what I want in a build right now.

Link

I figure Hellzone Grenade has proved useful enough for me to warrant throwing it in. I just need to know what I should do with the two remaining points of SP into. Constructive criticism is once again appreciated.

And once again, thanks to everyone who's helped so far.