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November 30th, 2011
#31
I agree that the transformations are really only used ad Dragon Ball wishes for gameplay purposes, but there is some logic to the characters not being able to achieve them on there own (though Shenlong probably shouldn't be able to help them unlock it).

All the races can be considered imperfect. The Saiyan blood in the Earthlings is to weak to allow a transformation, the Majins have reproduced so much from the same set of DNA that its become corrupted/started to degenerate, and the Namekians are not members of the demon clan so they don't have access to some of their powers. And yes, the growing in size is a trait of the demon clan according to the Daizenshuu, specifically in number 4's racial dictionary thing:

Piccolo
His arms stretch and he even grows into a giant.

Just by being able to regenerate his body's structure, he can even alter his body's volume. In particular Piccolo can transform the structure of his arms to make them stretch as well as enlarge his body, powers he inherited from the Demon Clan.

all basically is true...tho... another strong debate is the issue about calling humans the only earthlings xD... majins and namkians both live on the planet to be consider earthlings as well.(200 or more years went by. they here to stay xD.not to mention Earthling is a planetary term for races that live on earth) :P but anyway back on topic.... there really should be a moment where people are push to the point of transformation for thoese who dont have it. like if they kill so many mobs(around their level) and still havent died . they end up transforming. that way it ends up being slightly more epic game play.
November 30th, 2011
#32
all basically is true...tho... another strong debate is the issue about calling humans the only earthlings xD... majins and namkians both live on the planet to be consider earthlings as well.(200 or more years went by. they here to stay xD.not to mention Earthling is a planetary term for races that live on earth) :P

I understand, but its a tad bit nitpicky, don't you think? I mean, to be fair, you can't use the word "human" to describe them because that term doesn't just cover "homo sapiens" in Dragon Ball. Kuririn and Yamcha aren't the only types of beings described as being "human/ningen", even characters like Goku and Captain Ginyu are referred to by that term. Earthling is the only thing appropriate (before DBO anyway, if you feel like getting technical), because homo sapiens can breed with multiple species, not just Saiyans, but all the animal and monster faced people as well. And if one of the bear-people ended up getting one of the normal homo sapiens pregnant, it wouldn't be considered "human" by our standard definition. So what would you call a "Super Saiyan Bear-faced Human"? lol Wouldn't Earthling be the more appropriate term (used to cover everything but the actual, non-talking animals)?

Last edited on November 30th, 2011 at 03:36 PM.
November 30th, 2011
#33
I understand, but its a tad bit nitpicky, don't you think? I mean, to be fair, you can't use the word "human" to describe them because that term doesn't just cover "homo sapiens" in Dragon Ball. Kuririn and Yamcha aren't the only types of beings described as being "human/ningen", even characters like Goku and Captain Ginyu are referred to by that term. Earthling is the only thing appropriate (before DBO anyway, if you feel like getting technical), because homo sapiens can breed with multiple species, not just Saiyans, but all the animal and monster faced people as well. And if one of the bear-people ended up getting one of the normal homo sapiens pregnant, it wouldn't be considered "human" by our standard definition. So what would you call a "Super Saiyan Bear-faced Human"? lol Wouldn't Earthling be the more appropriate term (used to cover everything but the actual, non-talking animals)?

pretty much xD but humans are humans with a 5% saiyan bloodline in game... so to be honest they are still saiyan/humans no matter how you go about it.
November 30th, 2011
#34
No matter how much a living creature reproduces and stuff....the DNA stays untouched.
November 30th, 2011
#35
No matter how much a living creature reproduces and stuff....the DNA stays untouched.

Discounting mutations...

The Majins aren't technically reproducing. They are tearing off pieces of themselves and shooting them with a magical "Love-Love" ki attack. Who knows what is happening to the DNA when the Majin transfigures their "child" into a new living being with an altered personality, differing traits, etc. from the original.
December 1st, 2011
#36
All the races can be considered imperfect. The Saiyan blood in the Earthlings is to weak to allow a transformation, the Majins have reproduced so much from the same set of DNA that its become corrupted/started to degenerate, and the Namekians are not members of the demon clan so they don't have access to some of their powers. And yes, the growing in size is a trait of the demon clan according to the Daizenshuu, specifically in number 4's racial dictionary thing:

Piccolo
His arms stretch and he even grows into a giant.

Just by being able to regenerate his body's structure, he can even alter his body's volume. In particular Piccolo can transform the structure of his arms to make them stretch as well as enlarge his body, powers he inherited from the Demon Clan.

If you ask me, this game probably overrides that statement, since it seems to contradict what we already know of in the game. In other words, it's retconned out of this game's canon because it contradicts it.
December 1st, 2011
#37
If you ask me, this game probably overrides that statement, since it seems to contradict what we already know of in the game. In other words, it's retconned out of this game's canon because it contradicts it.

Plus every Namek regenerates and stretches their body.No Demon Clan part to it.The only reason there are demon clan moves because,I really dont know.
December 5th, 2011
#38
Well since we are saying our interpretations of how the transformations work storywise, I think that the dragon ball quest is just for gameplay since it doesn't make too much sense from almost every point of view. Most of my ideas come from a fanfic adaptation I may or may not do.

Super Saiyans most likely are rare but not unknown, I think they are just as strong as in the manga/anime(x50 increased PL) and the snobby fans out there would shoot me for this but "prodigies" like Goten and Trunks probably are out there just they are an even smaller percent, like let's say there is 300 or so SSjs in the world only one or two are a prodigy which may seem like alot but keep in mind the human population is VERY high. Very hard training is probably the way to gain it and it's tied with Pure Majins in rareness more or less.

Great Namekians, I always thought of as a spin-off of Namekians' ability to stretch their bodies, sort of like Monkey D. Luffy's 3rd Gear, speaking of which since many wanted a Namekian transformation like SSj maybe a "2nd Gear" of sorts would be okay. Yes it's a slight rip-off but Oda seems like the kind of guy that would be fine with Toriyama doing that since they are friends and it's not that much of a rip-off. Obviously the most common transformation and any skilled Namekian can pull it off but most don't use it all the goddamn time because of bulkiness yet it's the most balanced/stable of them all because of no real major stress.

Pure Majins, I assume work like the Vizard(Soul Reapers that have gained hollow powers) from Bleach since we have mobs that are "emotionally unbalanced Majins" who are in a perma-pure form, last time I checked....like a year ago >.>. They enter their pure form by letting certain instincts take over or by extreme emotional stress(which now that I think about it, this could be why Majins act the way they do, it's not that they are like Buu, it's just how they suppress these instincts) which leads to the psycho Majin mobs but on the other hand a Majin with very strong mental strength/focus can enter and exit it while retaining their personalty(which may or not be more bloodlusted while pure depending on skill) yet they still have to fight off their new "KILL KILL KILL BOOM EXPLOSIONS EVERYWHERE MAKE BLOOD RAIN" urges.It has the potential to be very common but it's just most Majins aren't strong enough to do it and it's just out of their nature.

Last edited on December 6th, 2011 at 01:44 PM.
December 7th, 2011
#39
Hmm I'm less concerned about the transformations now, and curious as to how the game developers are going to keep up the pace of the game :? I mean what's after Pure majin? Purer Majin? lol, Idk if the developers can make this work. And if we are sticking to canon then the next step after Giant Namek is definately super nameks. I'm guessing that they are going to keep giving Pure Majins more abilities until they are as strong as Kid Buu. I have no clue what they will do for nameks once humans reach SSJ3 (far away hopefully). I think personally they weakened majins significantly for game play purposes. Because in the original db canon Majins were the most powerful race of them all, *excluding saiyans which could barely contend with majins. I don't think anything in dbo is accurate, if it were, then there would be a really hard quest for majins and nameks to get their superforms instead of db hunts. Unlike humans they don't need db's to transform.

I do like how several people have noted that Piccolo never transformed back into giant after dbz. I think he would've been extra strong if he had not only became supernamek but also transformed into giant form. The guy could've potentially wiped the floor with cell.

And last part of my rant, why didn't they make humans more like Uub? That would've been much closer to canon than making them wish for ssj would've been. I mean I like the idea of humans being the new Saiyans and all, but I can't help but get the feeling that they should've made humans a little more like Uub. And from what I gather, Uub (even if you exclude DBGT) was a pretty powerful guy and could even fight goku on ssj 1. I'm failing to see why they didn't just make more humans this powerful since there were already *technically "super humans". And seeing as though Uub was several times more powerful than any other humans, he would've been a better base example than basing things off of characters like Krillin. I hope in a later dbo update that they will add warriors for humans as strong as Uub, that will make the game play a lot more interesting.
December 7th, 2011
#40
Because in the original db canon Majins were the most powerful race of them all, *excluding saiyans which could barely contend with majins.

Um, can you explain this?