Any thoughts?
http://www.dbocom.com/tools/skill-ca...2426355050440/

Try with this: http://www.dbocom.com/tools/skill-ca...0104305050060/

So, taking away from the attacks and putting them on buffs.

ok IMHO i think this build is good http://www.dbocom.com/tools/skill-ca...1103351050030/

you have your buffs with are mandatory, your stun in mandatory, i know that GN is really good in late game dungeons and is also fun to have. now the reason i got cyclone maxed is because of the debuff in it and it has a much larger range than whirlwind. energy siege is pretty much your main attack the range is enormous. is about the size of the arena in korin village. and the dmg is great. i didnt train demon wave past lvl 1 because even though it does burn and all the dmg has no % on it so the dmg isnt great when you are max and the change in dmg from 1 to 4 of the skill is not that big of a difference. same thing with hellzone grenade. at lvl 1 it does 400% of your Energy dmg. but at max level it only gives like 50% extra dmg. no big deal. dragon punishment is essential since it heals you based on the dmg you do. i use the skill and it heals about 1/2 my LP and am at lvl 47 right now. so i use it when my LP is a bit below half. dragon protection is good to keep your party alive in a pinch but it only last 20 secs. so it can help to keep the dende alive in the party. i myself have it at lvl 1. that's about it. any questions ask.

the debuff of cyclone is only 10% in all levels and its duration is longer than its cd so u can spam it in lvl 1 is not needed maxed that skill

well i meant that i have it maxed because it's damage goes up and on top of that it has debuff. i was just comparing it to whirlwind

Im not really sure if its worth to put SP in GN attacks. IMO DW can do more dmg just by using %speed weapons. And no doubts that GN itself is very useful.

Trust me Whirlwind is better than Cyclone, yes cyclone has better range and -10% hit rate debuff (namek´s dodge is very low it won´t help you very much), but whirlwind is stronger, i have compared the two skills at lvl max and i can assure you that Whirlwind makes more damage, also Whirlwind is faster to use, cyclone animation is too long you can spam whirlwind and energy siege faster that with cyclone.

ah ok well my cyclone is still at lvl 1. so i can get rid of it. i didnt have it in my original build but i trained it because at my level i only had two aoes demon wave and whirlwind. so i guess i'll get rid of it when i get energy siege. in 3 more levels.


well you can use taunt and such in GN. but i would at least get the first skill the one that reduces speed to lvl 1.

yea cyclone suks im glad i removed those points to make my other build stronger my whirlwing is maxed out also if u have +12 (ticket lol) claws it whirlwing can have about 3k+ damage if u have the right critical